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Hi all has anyone got a suggestion for cleaning the mirror mine is 4 years old has a film of fine dust on it. The correct plate ie the glass bit I can clean but usefully ideas for cleaning both.. Thanks |
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| Leave it alone. |
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+1 to Andrea‘s post. Also: don’t use a flashlight to look for dust. If the mirror of a „closed“ scope like this SCT has a dusty mirror, I wonder how the Schmidt-plate would look like. |
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Leave which bit alone, im assuming the mirror?. I need to clean the glass i assume thats the schmidt-plate ( sorry if this obvious to people), as theres dust on the underside of the glass. I was using red light to pick up the dust, that was producing the dust donuts. Just saying leave it alone doesn't answer the question. |
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| Dust is irrelevant and so are smudges. They do not impact the workings of the scope (you should see my mirrors!) and while doable with care and attention to details (spacers, shim, position of the corrector plate) I don't think the effort of removing the corrector justify the gain. For the corrector (external or internal) the procedure is to blow out as musg as possible of the dust and the using a cotton swab and isopropylic alcohol drag (but do not push) the swab from center to edge in a spiral fashion. Repeat until clean Don't get carried away, there isn't anything needing polishing there. For mirrors there is plenty of advice either here or elsewhere on the net but all of them require removal of said mirror from the support. |
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Thanks, that makes sense. Need to clean so I'll try the corrector plate glass first cleaning with the correct cleaning mixture. Then retry imaging see if the infamous dust bunnies disappear. Thanks for the reply and info |
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Thanks, that makes sense. Need to clean so I'll try the corrector plate glass first cleaning with the correct cleaning mixture. Then retry imaging see if the infamous dust bunnies disappear. Hi. Owner of a C14 here. You can clean both, plate and mirror. Usually, just a thin layer of dust it's not a big deal. But if you have fingerprints, grease or just don't like to see the dust there, there are different distilled water+isopropyl alcohol solutions you can use with the corrector plate. For the mirror, you can use distilled water+neutral soap. That's the cheapest option. I use Baader's Optical Wonder for both or even Purosol Optical. Both works fine for the mirror and the corrector plate but are expensive. Now the question is: how do you access the mirror? And that's quite challenging for the C8. There are videos in Youtube showing how to dismantle the tube to access the mirror, but it's something potentially dangerous if you don't have expertise on it. With the C14 I just can introduce my arm through the secondary mirror's aperture and manage to clean the mirror with a cleaning tool, but unfortunately the secondary "hole" in the C8 is too small for that. So, if it's just dust, let it there or try to find someone with expertise, or get your own experience but knowing that it could be more problematic that leaving the dust there alone. Cheers. |
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Thanks, that makes sense. Need to clean so I'll try the corrector plate glass first cleaning with the correct cleaning mixture. Then retry imaging see if the infamous dust bunnies disappear. Just to get it right, do you see dust bunnies when you are imaging? If so, cleaning the mirror and Schmidt-Plate won't help. Those dost bunnies are located much closer to the camera (e.g., a dust spot on a filter). Any dust on the scope, even on the EdgeHD's corrector, located within the baffle tube, does not cause dust bunnies on your final image. |
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| No filter, and I've cleaned the camera. So I'm at a loose end if it's not the glass or mirror. |
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No filter, and I've cleaned the camera. So I'm at a loose end if it's not the glass or mirror. For sure, normal dust on Schmidt-Plate, main and secondary mirror will not cause any dust donuts on your image. Do you have a sample image for us? Maybe we can recognize a different issue. Dust on the aforementioned components only reduces light transmission but unless the dust is really really bad, you won’t notice any difference. Hence our advice to not clean the scope. |
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| Will do, I binned the images I had. Will wait for the cloud gods to move along.. 🙏 |
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| Unless you are shooting infrared, or UV, there is no need to clean the corrector (and completely disregard cleaning the mirror, you can really only damage it). Certain cases will warrant cleaning your corrector, like having reduced contrast visibly compared to when you first shot on the scope. I use a ultra-fine (Gold Leaf rated) brush, with methanol to clean my corrector, I've only had to do this once in the last 4 years of owning mine. |
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| +1 to Björn's comments, if you're seeing dust motes (like defocused donuts) these are not located on the corrector plate, nor the primary mirror, they are almost always in the camera. When they're bad enough, I can remove the camera and see specs on my sensor that line up with their presence in the image. You are almost certainly not seeing the effects of dust on the plate, and even if so, it would be a reduced light throughput, not individually "bunnies". It's also worth noting that timely taken flats should remove dust motes 100% from your images anyways. |
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Unless you are shooting infrared, or UV, there is no need to clean the corrector (and completely disregard cleaning the mirror, you can really only damage it). Certain cases will warrant cleaning your corrector, like having reduced contrast visibly compared to when you first shot on the scope. I use a ultra-fine (Gold Leaf rated) brush, with methanol to clean my corrector, I've only had to do this once in the last 4 years of owning mine. *** never had too, mine is now 4 year old and needs a wee clean*** |
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Unless you are shooting infrared, or UV, there is no need to clean the corrector (and completely disregard cleaning the mirror, you can really only damage it). Certain cases will warrant cleaning your corrector, like having reduced contrast visibly compared to when you first shot on the scope. I use a ultra-fine (Gold Leaf rated) brush, with methanol to clean my corrector, I've only had to do this once in the last 4 years of owning mine. If you have to clean the corrector, get a high pressure aerosol free air gun, or a ultra fine optics brush, and whisk the dust away. Alternatively, methanol and specialized pec pads or optical cleaning swabs work. |
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| The only time I had to clean the corrector plate is when I noticed white mold growing on the inside of the correcter plate due to trapped humidity ( I leave my OTA outdoors for many months). Like the others said, it is really, really difficult to cause enough dust on the primary mirror for it to matter in a closed system like an SCT. |
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| https://www.photoniccleaning.com/default.asp |
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There are calculators available for determining the location of the dust from the size of its donut: https://astronomy.tools/calculators/dust_reflection_calculator You can see from these that any reasonably-sized donut is likely within a few centimetres of the sensor. Any further than that and it would get so large and diffuse it would be almost impossible to spot. |
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Aaron H.: *** I have missed this at astronomy tools, I will look at that. |
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Reviving this thread as I need some advice. The other day I discovered that my Edge 8 suddenly was covered in dew on the inside. The scope was acclimated and kept outside for a few weeks under cover and a roof. I suspect it may have occured as I was swapping my image train and it was left open for too long. When I discovered it I took it apart and brought it inside, leaving the rear open and unscrewed the secondary to let the moisture escape. It's still open but I can see traces of it on both the primary and the corrector plate. It looks mostly like a thin layer of fog. Would you guys reccomend leaving it alone as it's had a few days to dry out, or would I need servicing?  |
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| It's hard to tell how dirty it really is. I do know that most optics look really dirty if you illuminate them with a small bright source like a flashlight or a phone. How does it look in normal daylight or room light? More importantly, how do the images look. It's not hard to remove and clean the corrector plate, just not sure that you need to. |
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It's not really visible unless I shine a light directly at it. I'm not quite sure if this fog was there before as I'e only just begun using it after a long wait after purchase. It might not be so bad, but if the plate is easy enough to remove for cleaning I might as well do it. I'll check out some tutorials first. |
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