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Hello members of the Beta Testing team! You now have the ability to opt-in to the new gallery experience. I mentioned it a while ago here: https://www.astrobin.com/forum/c/group-forums/astrobin-beta-testers/new-gallery-experience-with-new-image-viewer-like-on-the-new-search-page-coming-soon/ And you can read about what's new here: https://welcome.astrobin.com/blog/introducing-the-new-astrobin-gallery-experience To enable it, go to your gallery: you will see a banner message that invites you to try. Alternatively, you can enable/disable it in your preferences. If you find something that doesn't work, please let me know! Thanks! Salvatore |
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Hi Salvatore, I've been using the new gallery over the last few days since you enabled it. Overall excellent and an improvement over the classic style. A couple of minor things I've noticed.
If I find anything else I'll let you know here. CS and a very Happy (clear) New Year. Andy |
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Like @Andy Brown I’m doing the same and have found it to be an overall good experience. I’m still getting used to a few things mainly where things are located but I do like what changes you’ve made Salvatore! Great work! Dale |
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Andy Brown: Hi Andy, just like it’s been with images on the new search page, you need to click on the mouse icon to toggle the annotations or another mouse-hover. Mobile device don’t have a hover state, so this is the only way to trigger it if you do t want to have “first click to hover, second click to zoom in”. If you have a better idea please let me know! PS: I’ll take a look at the bad request error when removing a like, thanks!  |
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Thanks Salvatore, I don't see the three icons on my phone (Samsung Galaxy S23+ Android 14 One UI 6.1)  In the classic view a long press shows the annotations, is this not possible with the updated view? CS, Andy |
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Hi Andy, does your phone have a pencil input as well? AstroBin detects if your device supports hover mode and has a "fine pointer accuracy", which is something reported by devices that have a mouse or a pencil. If the buttons are not displayed, as in your screenshot, then it means that the device is capable of the "hover" gesture, that I don't know how to trigger on your device. What does this page say, when opened from your S23+, in the white area? https://codepen.io/siovene/pen/VwJgWvM Thanks! |
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Hi Salvatore, No pencil input AFAIK but here's the result from your query page. Hope that's helpful.  |
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| @Andy Brown, thanks, that helped! Can you check again how things are from your Galaxy S23 now? Is it fixed for you? Thanks! |
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Small UI issue for me. When I visit someone else's page, it's hard to tell if I've liked the image before. The subtle drop shadow on the selected stat is really hard to see. I imagine you're trying for a depressed button look, but it's not popping enough for me to notice. Overall I really like this new layout. |
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Hi Salvatore, 1. When I click on 'change header image' it shows all my images in the staging area first, but without thumbnail images.  2. I personally like the 'large layout' view for my gallery. Is there a way to set it that way for everyone who visits my gallery? Or is it up to the visiter to pick the layout they prefer? Cheers, Nico |
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3. On Safari (17.6) on MacOS (14.6), I am getting weirdly sized images when shared from the staging area: 4. I don't like this new 'Image Adjustments' tool I can find on hover. Why would I want the viewer to be able to mess up my carefully crafted image? Also, it works on Chrome/Safari. On Firefox (133.0.3) on MacOS, clicking the image adjustments icon kicks me back to my Gallery.  Cheers, Nico |
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The new Gallery Page with all the custom layout options is very nice. However, when in Table Mode I cannot click on the headers to put them in numerical order. Will this be enabled? Another note regarding the search engine, when I make searches such as Abell or Sharpless catalogue targets, a slew of extra images come up that I'm not searching for. It makes it a little harder to find the images I would like to view. Is there a way to narrow the field a bit? Thanks, Eddie |
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Small UI issue for me. When I visit someone else's page, it's hard to tell if I've liked the image before. The subtle drop shadow on the selected stat is really hard to see. I imagine you're trying for a depressed button look, but it's not popping enough for me to notice. Thanks, good catch!I'm going to go with this, I think it helps: Normal (unchanged):  Before (toggled state, not obvious enough):  New (in addition to the depression, make the thumbs up darker):  Nico Carver: Thanks, I'll look into it! Nico Carver: Yes, it's a viewer's preference. When they toggle the view, the choice persists on the current device. If I made this as you suggest, i.e. a choice of the owner of the gallery, people would ask me how to change it, and why every other gallery is different, and this layout doesn't work on their device size, etc... Nico Carver: Thanks, hopefully I can reproduce it so I can find the fix! Nico Carver: It could be useful for instance to enhance the contrast temporarily to see the faint structures like spiral arms. As it's something that the viewer does very intentionally, it's not like they'd think less of your processing. Anybody can always download / screenshot your image and do it anyway. Nico Carver: Thank you so much for testing on multiple browsers! I'll check that. Eddie Bagwell: Thanks for the feedback, I'll add sorting to the table! Eddie Bagwell: Make sure you're searching by "Subjects" and not by free text. If you search by free text, AstroBin searches across all fields, so you'll beg images for "My grandpa Abell imaged this Orion". And use autocomplete (by pressing TAB) when AstroBin offers it. And if you have a search that's completely out of whack, please let me know so I can see if I can do anything. Just the other day I improved the search results for Fornax A because there was an alias to "For A", so all images with "for a" in the description were matching  |
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Salvatore Iovene: Hi Salvatore, The icons are now visible and the mouse over works on the first image I pick. If I then use the Arrow button to move to the previous or next image the mouse over icon doesn't display the annotations. I've checked this on my own gallery and others too. Here's an example:  Many thanks, Andy |
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Andy Brown: Thanks! The fix is deploying. |
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Salvatore Iovene:Andy Brown: Working perfectly now Salvatore 👌 |
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Salvatore IoveneMake sure you're searching by "Subjects" and not by free text This solved my issue. Thank you! I released a new image to the public this morning using the new Beta and the acquisition date came up incorrect. Data acquisition date was Dec 18th and when posted came up Dec 17th. When I switched back to the old Gallery Version the date was correct at Dec 18th. Also, is the "Stats" box on my Home Gallery Page going away with the new version? Thank you. |
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Hi Eddie, do you mean this one? https://app.astrobin.com/u/Starman609?i=al60o0#gallery I see December 18th on both the new and classic UI, and the database confirms that you specified the 18th. Tho I wonder if this is a timezone thing that should be removed since this a date and not a datetime. What's your timezone and do you confirm that the dates are showing differently to you? |
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Salvatore Iovene: I get that, but my issues with it are philosophical. I consider Astrobin a finished 'gallery' of my astrophotography art. Like a physical gallery I can work with the gallery owner (in this metaphor, the website) to present my gallery how I wish within reason. You give us many choices on upload for how the art should be displayed. For example, I can choose to have no mouseover annotations if I wish. For me, this 'Image adjustments' menu flies in the face of that. By adding it to the UI, it feels like you are encouraging end users of the site to experiment with my very carefully deliberated choices on saturation, brightness, and contrast. These are three of the major levers of astrophotography processing - no small thing. If someone wants to download my image and change those things, I understand they could, but by adding it the UI, it seems like Astrobin is sending end users a different message, one that doesn't respect the artist behind the work. For the same reason, I'm also against the new Zoom tool going so easily all the way to 8x (800%) zoom. How the image is sampled for presentation is another artistic choice I'm used to making when I display my work on Astrobin. For me, just because something is possible to do with an image on download doesn't mean it should be part of the Astrobin UI with no control from the artist / paying user over how their work is displayed. Sorry if these choices have already been well mulled-over, but just thought I'd explain my reasoning for not liking it as clearly as I can. Cheers, Nico |
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Nico Carver:Salvatore Iovene: Hello Nico, Your arguments make perfect sense to someone with background in arts as myself. However, my humble opinion is that if you wish a more controlled presentation of your artwork online, the proper medium is a personal webpage. And even then, for each screen, unavoidably there will be a different rendition of your images as each mobile phone/display manufacturer has decided what the "optimal" display settings are. Astrobin is (among other things) a social medium which can be useful for your content syndication needs. Salvatore has to weigh the needs of several users, be competitive, and also provide a novel product. |
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You make an excellent point, @Nico Carver, and @Die Launische Diva pinpoints the issue perfectly: I need to balance the expectations of the photographer as the owner of their gallery and images, and those of the viewers. Generally speaking, when I can solve this by making both personas happy, I prefer to do it of course, as it's in everybody's interest. Sometimes I need to choose. For the prefered thumbnail size (small / medium / large) in the new gallery, I feel that it's an easy choice: the viewer should choose how to see galleries on AstroBin in accordance to their preference, their device, their eyesight... For the image adjustments and 8x zoom, there's another philosophical aspect that comes into play. Nico's point of view makes sense: you want to have control on how your images are displayed. However, and here's the philosophical stance, users can still download your image and modify it (to increase saturation to 800% to see if there's a color imbalance or gradient, or to increase contrast to see if there's vignetting, for instance), and they can still download it and zoom it to their heart's content. AstroBin cannot prevent that. Tho the question on your tongue is: should it facilitate it? Honestly I don't know that. From a pragmatic point of view, if many people will oppose the image adjustments, I'm happy to make it a setting on your profile or each image individually, to allow you to disable it for your images. Same for the 8x zoom: I could make it user configurable to limit the maximum zoom level. Both features have been available since the late summer but only on search results, and I haven't heard any complaints. If anybody wants to weigh in, I'm all ears! |
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Hi Salvatore et al., Thanks for the great work on Astrobin, but I must confess that I'm not too happy with the new gallery. Looking at it from a Windows desktop with Firefox: - Everything is overly large, especially the category icons and the image details sidebar compared to the image itself, also fonts in general - Category icons don't show an image from the category? - The image icons with mouse over are ok - A "Delete" function in the ... menu of the image icons is a bit dangerous, don't you think? - The image details sidebar sort of overwhelms the image, especially landscape images - Sidebar: some information is in dark gray, almost unreadable, why? - Sidebar: (i) doen't link to the IOTD stats as in the old gallery, but only to the generic IOTD info page - Sidebar: "Integration" and "Equipment" occupy far too much screen real estate, should be folded per default - Sidebar: "Description" should be above "Integration", and is now too narrow for more extensive information e.g. inline images - Sidebar: "Image in the same area" yields strange result, i.e. a lot of astrolandscape accompanying my deep sky image - Image detail: sky map and histogram require clicking the icons only visible when hovering on the left, image side - Adjustments doesn't work with Firefox, returns to the overview - Smart folders and Equipment work in a somewhat strange way, I'd have expected a "filtered" gallery / category like view, not a sidebar opening with a list of images Don't want to be rude, but right now I prefer the old version. Martin |
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Hi Martin, thanks for the feedback! Martin Junius: Hmm I don't think so, and I haven't heard this one. Consider that the image viewer has been part of the search results for several months now for everybody except a few dozen people who opted out of the new search page. Can you send me a screenshot? Martin Junius: I don't understand this one. Category icons? Martin Junius: You get a confirmation dialog after you click it, so it's fine. It's the same as on the image page. Click on the menu, click on Delete, click Delete again in the confirmation dialog. I get asked every week how to delete images, some people can't find it as it's now. Martin Junius: Can you send me a screenshot accompanied by the link to that image? I wonder if you have a particularly large or particularly small screen that I didn't test. Martin Junius: Which one specifically? Thanks! Martin Junius: If you refer to the image's IOTD/TP stats, they're in the View menu. Martin Junius: Sorry but I totally disagree, and I think most people will also disagree. They both are the most important piece of information people on AstroBin want to see! Martin Junius: I disagree here too. Usually, the integration is more compact, and the description could be longer. First the data that one can see at a glance, then the long (or short) text that the user provided. Can you send me a screenshot of where it looks narrow to you? Thanks! Martin Junius: That's because it's based on RA/Dec, so landscape images will match a lot of RA/Dec ranges due to the FOV. I will make it so it only shows images with a similar FOV, thanks! Martin Junius: Yes, but I can't put everything on the page at the same time and not have it look like an angry fruit salad. If they're not behind a button, then they'll have to be below the fold and require scrolling an unknown amount depending on the length of the other data. At least this way they are in a predictable place. Martin Junius: I fixed that today, please try again! Martin Junius: Yeah, unfortunately this is not easy to do right in my opinion. If it's not a sidebar, and the images appear below the tags, that could be so low that users don't realize that they have to scroll. If the tabs appear on the side, then there will be a lot of wrapping text and this solution wouldn't work on mobile anyway. Martin Junius: It's why I made it optional. I knew that it could not please everyone, tho so far I've received mostly very positive feedback! If you have time, please address my questions above so I can make improvements. Thanks! |
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Thanks @Die Launische Diva and @Salvatore Iovene for the replies. I don't mean to make a mountain out of a molehill, as I admit that I'm a near daily Astrobin Search user and didn't notice the Image Adjustments feature until asked to test this new gallery experience.Salvatore Iovene: If that were an option, I'd personally be very happy to disable it globally as well as set a 150% max zoom level on my images. But I wonder if you gave us that control if people would complain about fairness with TP/IOTD picks. I'm not in the TP/IOTD staff currently so I'm not sure if there has already been discussion about how (or if) to use some of these new viewing tools. |
