Your Experience with the GTR Mount JTW Astronomy Trident GTR · Clint Lemasters · 2 giorni fa · 29 · 535 · 1

I've had a Trident GTR for maybe 9 months now.  The learning curve if you've never used OnstepX before is pretty steep (I went from an EQ6R to the trident), but once I figured that out I was fine.  The performance has been absolutely amazing.  It took a long time to ship, and I REALLY got super frustrated learning onstepx stuff, but now that I have it and I live with it every day?  no complaints.

Reg Pratt:

AstroShed:
I must admit, I had my name down for one of these mounts, and then heard some things that did not Instill confidence in my decision, so I pulled out, and then thought i would wait for one of the new worm drive mounts they were building, the Minotaur, that was well over 18 months ago and they still have not released anything, I have not read anything anywhere that says that these GTR mounts are anything special, and other than weight capacity, they are no better than a CEM70, my issue is with the company and the poor communication that I got, and the lack of updates, I think that they are falling back into old habits and people are waiting for ever for there mounts, this happened to them a few years back and they got an awful rep because of it.

Out of curiosity, what does a mount need to have to be considered special to you? It performs on par with premium mounts that cost 2-3x more. I had my 10" on a CEM70 previously and while a great mount isn't even in the same league as the GTR in terms of performance.

Reg Pratt:

AstroShed:

Reg Pratt:

AstroShed:
I must admit, I had my name down for one of these mounts, and then heard some things that did not Instill confidence in my decision, so I pulled out, and then thought i would wait for one of the new worm drive mounts they were building, the Minotaur, that was well over 18 months ago and they still have not released anything, I have not read anything anywhere that says that these GTR mounts are anything special, and other than weight capacity, they are no better than a CEM70, my issue is with the company and the poor communication that I got, and the lack of updates, I think that they are falling back into old habits and people are waiting for ever for there mounts, this happened to them a few years back and they got an awful rep because of it.

Out of curiosity, what does a mount need to have to be considered special to you? It performs on par with premium mounts that cost 2-3x more. I had my 10" on a CEM70 previously and while a great mount isn't even in the same league as the GTR in terms of performance.

Well it seems that everybody gauges a mount by its guiding performance, which is ridiculous really as there are so many variables to guiding well, but if that is the metric people use my CEM70 guides at 0.3 to 0.6 all the time, so than is on par with the GTR, the goto’s are bang on, the mount is not too heavy. It has a nice short counter weight bar, and not a great long thing that would get in my way in my obsy, so IMHO it’s more than on par with the GTR, apart from load capacity, but 30kg is more than I will ever need.
So you say the GTR performs on par with premium mounts 2 to 3 times more in cost, I assume you mean mounts like the 10 micron, (which is far better) and the Paramounts, well unless you have ever used a 10 micron, (I have for 6 months) that is on another level to anything that JTW could produce..

Sure you may not see much of a difference with a small payload but the GTR wasn't made for small payloads so it's not really a fair comparison. It's kind of like saying Honda is just as good as a Ferrari because they can both reach 65mph lol. The GTR is an observatory grade mount meant for large payloads. It's meant to offer high performance at a lower price than the SB, 10U, and AP mounts. And as some who works with these mounts frequently in observatories I can tell you it succeeds in this.

As mentioned before the difference in performance between it and my cem70 with a 10" is night and day and a 10" Newt isn't even considered a large scope. Not in an observatory. Put a 12" RC or a  CDK14 on the CEM70 and see if the performance is on par ;)

AstroShed:

andrea tasselli:
So you're dissing a mount you never had nor likely to. That seems par for course...

Where did I actually diss the mount..? Please enlighten me.. I think you need to read my post as agin properly, it’s not for me I did not diss the mount at all, it’s fine for some people with large set ups, but not for me…as my CEM70 does all I need it to, how is that dissing the mount…?
and I said I would never own a large set up, meaning large scope, not a large mount, again put your glasses on and read properly,

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:
I must admit, I had my name down for one of these mounts, and then heard some things that did not Instill confidence in my decision, so I pulled out, and then thought i would wait for one of the new worm drive mounts they were building, the Minotaur, that was well over 18 months ago and they still have not released anything, I have not read anything anywhere that says that these GTR mounts are anything special, and other than weight capacity, on paper they don’t seem any better than a CEM70, except maybe the encoder versions,  my issue is with the company and the poor communication that I got, and the lack of updates, I think that they are falling back into old habits and people are waiting for ever for there mounts, this happened to them a few years back and they got an awful rep because of it.

*** Stuart, in case you do not realize, although I am sure you do as this is a pretty normal post from you over the years to be fair. I am not sure what you get out of lighting the torch paper online but it sure gets tiresome!

1 - Saying a company is not giving decent comms and slipping into old ways is provocative at the very least when you have nothing to base your comment on.
2 - Saying the product is nothing special when you have never used or owned one is also dissing the product

If however, I am totally wrong and this is not what you seem to enjoy doing and for many years you never realized you were indeed supplier bashing companies & their products, then I apologize unreservedly of course.

Steve

An actual owner of a JTW product
***

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:
I must admit, I had my name down for one of these mounts, and then heard some things that did not Instill confidence in my decision, so I pulled out, and then thought i would wait for one of the new worm drive mounts they were building, the Minotaur, that was well over 18 months ago and they still have not released anything, I have not read anything anywhere that says that these GTR mounts are anything special, and other than weight capacity, on paper they don’t seem any better than a CEM70, except maybe the encoder versions,  my issue is with the company and the poor communication that I got, and the lack of updates, I think that they are falling back into old habits and people are waiting for ever for there mounts, this happened to them a few years back and they got an awful rep because of it.

*** Stuart, in case you do not realize, although I am sure you do as this is a pretty normal post from you over the years to be fair. I am not sure what you get out of lighting the torch paper online but it sure gets tiresome!

1 - Saying a company is not giving decent comms and slipping into old ways is provocative at the very least when you have nothing to base your comment on.
2 - Saying the product is nothing special when you have never used or owned one is also dissing the product

If however, I am totally wrong and this is not what you seem to enjoy doing and for many years you never realized you were indeed supplier bashing companies & their products, then I apologize unreservedly of course.

Steve

An actual owner of a JTW product
***

Oh here we go again 😂😂😂, throwing the dummy from the pram…😂😂😂 can’t stand any critique whatsoever…no matter how slight…
and BTW if you are going to diss me as a person then at least get my name correct, it’s Stewart not Stuart..👍🏻

Without wanting to get in a pissing contest with you "Stewart" lets first define critique, in order to critique a company and their products, you need to have first-hand knowledge of both

1 comms - it's available on the JTW Discord for all to read that you were a member and all your questions were answered at all times, so your statement is categorically untrue

2 product - you have never even seen let alone used a Trident mount, so you cannot possibly critique a product that you have never used


A have zero problems with you or any genuine critique you may have, in fact I welcome it as it's the only way the mount can improve by users making suggestions etc. However, bashing JTW for no reason but your own amusement and trying to disguise it as critique is simply a horrible thing to do.


Please let this be an end to this now Stewart, as its getting boring fencing with a man who just likes to burn other people without being able to back it up, I know you will answer as its obvious you like to keep threads like this alive, so people see long threads about possible JTW mount issues that are not really there. Perhaps we could even meet up for a beer to discuss it one night seeing as you only live a few miles away from me, I would do anything to put your mind at rest and finally get you to stop grinding this very old rusty axe you have.

Before anyone says - I helped design the Trident, Minotaur & Mark's new range of mounts so yes I do have a vested interest I suppose not to mention first-hand knowledge on how they perform from an engineering perspective.

Steve

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:

Steve Asbury:

AstroShed:
I must admit, I had my name down for one of these mounts, and then heard some things that did not Instill confidence in my decision, so I pulled out, and then thought i would wait for one of the new worm drive mounts they were building, the Minotaur, that was well over 18 months ago and they still have not released anything, I have not read anything anywhere that says that these GTR mounts are anything special, and other than weight capacity, on paper they don’t seem any better than a CEM70, except maybe the encoder versions,  my issue is with the company and the poor communication that I got, and the lack of updates, I think that they are falling back into old habits and people are waiting for ever for there mounts, this happened to them a few years back and they got an awful rep because of it.

*** Stuart, in case you do not realize, although I am sure you do as this is a pretty normal post from you over the years to be fair. I am not sure what you get out of lighting the torch paper online but it sure gets tiresome!

1 - Saying a company is not giving decent comms and slipping into old ways is provocative at the very least when you have nothing to base your comment on.
2 - Saying the product is nothing special when you have never used or owned one is also dissing the product

If however, I am totally wrong and this is not what you seem to enjoy doing and for many years you never realized you were indeed supplier bashing companies & their products, then I apologize unreservedly of course.

Steve

An actual owner of a JTW product
***

Oh here we go again 😂😂😂, throwing the dummy from the pram…😂😂😂 can’t stand any critique whatsoever…no matter how slight…
and BTW if you are going to diss me as a person then at least get my name correct, it’s Stewart not Stuart..👍🏻

Without wanting to get in a pissing contest with you "Stewart" lets first define critique, in order to critique a company and their products, you need to have first-hand knowledge of both

1 comms - it's available on the JTW Discord for all to read that you were a member and all your questions were answered at all times, so your statement is categorically untrue

2 product - you have never even seen let alone used a Trident mount, so you cannot possibly critique a product that you have never used


A have zero problems with you or any genuine critique you may have, in fact I welcome it as it's the only way the mount can improve by users making suggestions etc. However, bashing JTW for no reason but your own amusement and trying to disguise it as critique is simply a horrible thing to do.


Please let this be an end to this now Stewart, as its getting boring fencing with a man who just likes to burn other people without being able to back it up, I know you will answer as its obvious you like to keep threads like this alive, so people see long threads about possible JTW mount issues that are not really there. Perhaps we could even meet up for a beer to discuss it one night seeing as you only live a few miles away from me, I would do anything to put your mind at rest and finally get you to stop grinding this very old rusty axe you have.

Before anyone says - I helped design the Trident, Minotaur & Mark's new range of mounts so yes I do have a vested interest I suppose not to mention first-hand knowledge on how they perform from an engineering perspective.

Steve

I really do think this is the place nor the time to be making totally untrue statements about an individual, I have 6 unanswered emails to JTW over the last 18 months enquiring about the Minotaur mount which I was extremely interested in, and was supposed to be released over 12 months ago, so yes they are a bit lacking with responding. I was not bashing JTW just stating facts related to my user case, the GTR would not suit my needs at all, and that’s all i was stating, not bashing the brand as you put it, if by me saying that I don’t see anything special about the mount, is in your eyes bashing the brand, then yea so be it, and as for the subtle threats about me living close and stating that you know where I live, well so you should as I have bought several of your way overpriced second hand good from your website, but if you are meaning that as threat in any way shape or form then you are totally out of Oder but I expect nothing less  from you, but please do not threaten me as it may not end well in more ways than one…yes we can both be threatening, but as I said it’s not the time now the place and life is too short to get hung up on threats from little men with big ego’s..
have a nice evening…👍🏻

Behave yourself Stewart, an Englishman offering to have a beer with you is a bloody olive branch and you damn well know that, nothing more. I was hoping we could have spoken like adults over some brown foaming liquid but alas that appears not to be the case

I did try...